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What does being an American mean to you?

#0, by pt109rick, 03 July 2010 11:02 PM

Each year we celebrate different holidays here in America. I was wondering what does being an American mean. I travel over 50,000 miles a year to other countries and everywhere I've gone people want to come here. I don't think most people really appreciate being an American until they journey outside our borders. We don't really realize how blessed we are. We take so much for granted. I remember being in Accra Ghana and seeing a long line of little children walking down a trail with buckets. I was curious so I followed them. After 20 minutes of walking, there was a pond ahead where cows, goats and other animals were drinking. One by one the children dipped their buckets into the pond, scooped up water and headed back down the trail. Some put the buckets of water on top of their heads and walked on. I thought for a moment how we routinely go to the car wash to wash out cars without thinking much of it. It changed my life. Once you've been to one developing country, after a while they all start to look the same. Yes, we celebrate and cherish our freedoms, but I've said it before and I will say it again, "The freedoms that our forefathers and founders, fought, sacrificed and died for, are the same freedoms that will someday destroy us."

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#1, by anonymous116367, 04 July 2010 08:57 PM

"The freedoms that our forefathers and founders, fought, sacrificed and died for, are the same freedoms that will someday destroy us."

Hmmm... very profound statement and what I feel to be sadly true.

I grew up in a third world country so I know first hand what it's like to go to sleep with an empty belly and not knowing when the next meal was coming (and my parents were well to do in comparison to others).  My family and I came here because my father's family (a cousin) ran against a ruling leader and saw different ones being killed for daring to run against him.

What America means to me is heart felt.  I well up with tears at times when I think about how different my life might have been.  America to me means having the OPPORTUNITY to become anything you want to be barring that you have the will, drive and fortitude to see it through.  It means being able to say ANYTHING and not being afraid of being killed for saying it.  It means to me the opportunity to feel freedom of not being afraid and some little assurance that the hard work you put in might have a greater chance of bearing fruit than it would in other countries.  Sadly, many Americans do not know what they have here.  I would fight to the death to ensure that this type of freedom exists here and otherwise if I needed to.

Haiti will always be on my heart and mind... and I have a love for my people there and abroad but America is in my blood.

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#2, by matrixone05, 04 July 2010 10:09 PM

I had a cousin that was several years old than I and growing up... he bought a new corvette every two years, dressed like he was a model in GQ and lived in a high rise in a then ritzy area of St. Louis... (This was in the 60's when it was unheard of for Black people to live like that).

He took a vacation with his wife to Jamaica... they left the tourist area and ventured into the areas where the residents lived.... he was never the same. His marriage did not survive the change. He came home, got rid of his cars... went to nursing school and worked for a bit in a juvenile detention center. After a couple of years, he moved to New Mexico to work on an Indian reservation. He died very young from a stroke caused by a near death accident years before...

He lived the remainder of his life helping those less fortunate than himself and living a life that was akin poverty...

I've never seen it, only can imagine... 































































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#3, by dancera, 07 July 2010 12:43 AM

I am Not American.....hahahahhhahaha...but y'all  knew that

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#4, by pt109rick, 07 July 2010 03:08 PM


I am Not American.....hahahahhhahaha...but y'all  knew that

-dancera

I assume you have lived here for a period of time, so what does being in America mean to you? Are you able to do more here than your homeland, do you have less restrictions and the freedom to do whatever more here than your homeland?

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#5, by dancera, 10 July 2010 11:21 PM

Nope  wrong assummption.I  have  never  lived in the States. I  have  never  been  in any State  longer than 5  days. This  trip  will  change  that.

 I am Canadian .   generation  after generation

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#6, by pt109rick, 11 July 2010 06:36 AM

Nope  wrong assummption.I  have  never  lived in the States. I  have  never  been  in any State  longer than 5  days. This  trip  will  change  that.
 I am Canadian .   generation  after generation

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Ok neighbor, I guess I could have been a little more specific. Canada eh, I've been to Vancouver and Penticton which are very nice places but a bit cold.

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#7, by matrixone05, 11 July 2010 01:00 PM


Pt109

Dance once posted information on her Canadian history, I found it fascinating and hope she adds to this thread in the future.... I think you will really be interested. Amazing what we really don't know about our history...

http://www.ourmindsflowfreely.com/2008/10/02/the-distant-past-of-connection/#post5

Ok neighbor, I guess I could have been a little more specific. Canada eh, I've been to Vancouver and Penticton which are very nice places but a bit cold.

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#8, by asylum, 11 July 2010 01:06 PM

what does it mean to live in America? Nobody fully appreciates life here until you go somewhere else. I have a love hate relationship with America. I love the people and their cultures being able to live together. I love being able to go to walmart of all places and shop for a variety of things in one place. I love the humor that exists here because you know some of things that happen here are just that, a joke. However, there is a dark side that I hate. I hate watching gluttons stuff hot dogs down their throat in a hot dog eating contest. I hate watching millionaire athletes suck up air time on tv to announce their decision to play in certain cities. I hate the arrogance of so many knuckleheads who dont know what life would be like to be without. Yeah i despise it.

Here is the truth of the matter. This nation for all the freedoms it has experienced, is soaked with the blood of war, poverty, and the foundation of it all slavery and colonialism.
Slaves built this nation. War was the way this nation was founded. Many 3rd world nations remain 3rd world nations because of the greed of the american and european economies.
IMAGINE LIVING IN EGYPT WHICH WAS BUILT ON THE BACKS OF HER SLAVE LABOR, THEN SEEING THE GRAND SPECTACULAR OF THE BUILDINGS, THEN HEARING ABOUT HER GLORY IN OTHER COUNTRIES, SOUNDS COOL HUH? WELL, THAT IS ALL AMERICA IS EGYPT 2010.

The irony of all this is, that the people who benefit the most will never understand that this nation was founded through a number of horrific stories. the decimation of the native americans. This is a land that had over 700 languages and dialects spoken in it before the arrival of the white man. Now no one knows where those languages went and we get an attitude if a mexican doesnt speak english. How arrogant are we? The ancestors of this nation gave blankets laced with small pox (biological terrorism) to their hosts. Natives were hunted like bounty for money. All for the colonists or "settlers" of this nation. Dont even get me started on slavery.

I love America. But I hate her history and treatment of her people. Hurricane Katrina will always be etched in my mind. A major city looking like a 3 world nation, and watching people die because of red tape, fema, bush politics, LA politics.
We all have stories about how great this nation is, and it does have great people and great stories but it came with a historical price and like pt109rick has alluded to, it will die eventually by her own hands. The only difference for us, all of the wars fought on this soil, our infrastructure remained intact. That is the only saving difference. But it will reap what it has sown. It has to, its a universal law. We may not see it, but our future generations unfortunately someday will.


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#9, by naphtalia, 17 July 2010 02:37 AM

I don't have much to say on this subject, as I agree with the original poster.  I am proud to be an American.  People flock here.  We're not perfect, but I dang sho wouldn't want to live anywhere else.  Just because SOME people don't think I'm American..doesn't mean I'm not!!! 

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#10, by reflective, 02 August 2010 12:58 AM

Right on brother asylum... right on...


That a nation whose history is steeped in exploitation and inequity almost in polar opposition to the the stated intentions of its founders has evolved into (what I consider to be) one the world's economies where innovations that improve the human condition are most likely to originate seems extraordinarily ironic to me.

I nonetheless think that the United States' capability to innovate as such is limited quite significantly by the socioeconomic problems resulting from its history.  Should the United States choose to deal with its disturbing socioeconomic problems and general problem of overconsumption (or as we say where I come from - man the f*** up and deal with our problems) we just might have a shot at making some further contributions to human progress that make repeats of our past less likely.

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#11, by pt109rick, 02 August 2010 01:30 PM


Pt109
Amazing what we really don't know about our history...
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-matrixone05

I reviewed the link Matrix and thank you. As one of a few people who has actually traveled down the Niger river until it enters the Atlantic by boat, visited many villages along the way, been inside slave forts including Cape Coast, Elmina Castle and several others which still stand every 1800 meters along the coast of Ghana, stood on top of the decomposed captured slaves who did not make it to the slave ships, talked with the decendants; many of whom still live along the Ghanian coast, sat inside 140 degree "hot as hell" slave dungeons and holding cells, stood at the Door of No Return and many other first hand experiences, trust me when I say, that part of North American History, I know quite well. Over 95% of our African Ancestors who made it to North America came through the slave forts of West Africa. I'll soon post some pics I took in 2002.
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#12, by reflective, 04 August 2010 01:31 AM





National Public Radio reporter TONY COX: 
...Let's begin with this, Cornel, if we might. You talk a lot about the lack of love. You say there is a lack of available love in black America. What do you mean by that?

Professor CORNEL WEST:

Well, I think it's true in the society as a whole. We have a market-driven society so obsessed with buying and selling and obsessed with power and pleasure and property, it doesn't leave a whole lot of time for non-market values and non-market activity so that love and trust and justice, concern for the poor, that's being pushed to the margins, and you can see it.

You can see it in terms of the obsession on Wall Street with not just profits but greed, more profit, more profit. You see it in our television culture that's obsessed with superficial spectacle. You see it even in our educational systems, where the market model becomes central. It's a matter of just gaining a skill or gaining access to a job to live in some vanilla suburb, as opposed to becoming a critical citizen concerned with public interest and common good.

It's a spiritual malnutrition tied to a moral constipation, where people have a sense of what's right and what's good. It's just stuck, and they can't get it out because there's too much greed. There's too much obsession with reputation and addiction to narrow conceptions of success.

And when I talk about love, I'm talking about something that's great, though, brother. I'm talking about something that will sustain you. It's like an Aretha Franklin song, brother, or a Coltrane solo or Beethoven symphony, something that grabs you to the gut and gives you a sense of what it is to be human.

That's what we're more and more lacking, and it's very sad. It's a sign of a decline of an empire, my brother.

...



But the problem is not just affirmative action, though. The problem is poor people, working people and their children, and affirmative action for the most part doesn't even apply to them.

We're talking about a prison-industrial complex. We're talking about a war on drugs that's generating unprecedented levels of incarcerated folk. We're talking about dilapidated housing. We're talking about joblessness and underemployment.

These are issues that go so far beyond affirmative action that we're talking about $55 billion invested in Afghanistan and $73 billion next year, but a debate about a $4 billion Race to the Top program for education.

There has to be, as Martin King noted, a revolution in priorities, a revolution in values and a revolution in vision. We've got the wrong vision, the wrong values, the wrong priority, and as the great prophetic figure Marian Edelman Wright puts it, we have been AWOL when it comes to poor people and poor children.

source: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=128933353


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#13, by istlota, 04 August 2010 06:44 PM

I haved lived in America all my life. I do not have a high opinion of the country of my birth.

Yes, if one's primary concerns involve physical wealth, America is a great place to live. But, I am deeply troubled with _how_ America came to be as affluent as it is. The trail of America's wealth is paved with theft, genocide, and enslavement. We all know this, of course. Which is to say that we all know California used to be Mexico, And, we all know that, when our so-called Founding Fathers landed on PIlgrim Rock, there were people already living here. And, again, we all know that our beloved Founding Fathers changed all that by force, lies, disease [sometimes inflicted purposefully], and various other forms of despicable behavior.

We all know these things, of course, so why do so many of us feel pride in being Americans? Well, for one things, we know that if we lived elsewhere, chances are good we would have less things. Less food and less toys like our ipods and our SUVs.

We speak of the pride we have in our freedoms. But, freedom at what cost? Zionists in Israel also say they live in a democracy. And, as do we Americans, they think they also enjoy manifold freedoms. Indeed, even the Afrikaneers of apartheid South Africa thought of themselves as a democracy. But, again, freedom at what cost?

In this age of gross materialism, when most men are most assuredly asleep [spiritually], we have this remarkable ability to selectively forget inconvenient truths.

If I choose to forget that my ancestors were dragged in chains from Africa, and if I forget that the reason my skin is brown instead of black has a lot to do with after hours rape within the slave quarters, yes, I am able to hold my head high and feel pride in the freedoms we Americans enjoy.

If I forget that a big reason our dear America emerged from WW II as the most powerful nation on Earth involves the deaths of hundreds of thousands of men, women, and children which occurred when "our boys" nuked Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and if I forget that the uranium for those nukes was stolen at great cost of lives from the Congo, well, yes, I can feel just as proud as our Great-Black-Hope-and-First-Black-President Obama of our "good and great" America and her "just" wars.

If I forget that all those hungry Africans are anorexic because of droughts made so much worse by global warming [an anomaly for which no nation is more to blame than we oil guzzling Americans], well, yes, I can feel chest button popping pride that I live in America.

A great man, Nelson Mandela, once referred to America as the greatest threat to World Peace. Another great man, Martin Luther King Jr, prior to be murdered with the complicity of his own government, referred to America as the greatest purveyor of violence in the world.

And, yet, we feel such pride to be her children.

"It is time for all people of conscience to call upon America to come back home. Come home, America. Omar Khayyam is right: "The moving finger writes, and having writ moves on." I call on Washington today. I call on every man and woman of good will all over America today. I call on the young men of America who must make a choice today to take a stand on this issue. Tomorrow may be too late. The book may close. And don't let anybody make you think that God chose America as his divine, messianic force to be a sort of policeman of the whole world. God has a way of standing before the nations with judgment, and it seems that I can hear God saying to America, "You're too arrogant! And if you don't change your ways, I will rise up and break the backbone of your power, and I'll place it in the hands of a nation that doesn't even know my name. Be still and know that I'm God." --- Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.

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#14, by reflective, 13 June 2011 02:19 PM



"But I'd like to use a subject from which to speak this afternoon, the Other America.

And I use this subject because there are literally two Americas. One America is beautiful for situation. And, in a sense, this America is overflowing with the milk of prosperity and the honey of opportunity. This America is the habitat of millions of people who have food and material necessities for their bodies; and culture and education for their minds; and freedom and human dignity for their spirits. In this America, millions of people experience every day the opportunity of having life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness in all of their dimensions. And in this America millions of young people grow up in the sunlight of opportunity.

But tragically and unfortunately, there is another America. This other America has a daily ugliness about it that constantly transforms the ebulliency of hope into the fatigue of despair. In this America millions of work-starved men walk the streets daily in search for jobs that do not exist. In this America millions of people find themselves living in rat-infested, vermin-filled slums. In this America people are poor by the millions. They find themselves perishing on a lonely island of poverty in the midst of a vast ocean of material prosperity."

Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.

April 1967

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#15, by matrixone05, 13 June 2011 11:53 PM

Somethings remain the same...

"But I'd like to use a subject from which to speak this afternoon, the Other America.And I use this subject because there are literally two Americas. One America is beautiful for situation. And, in a sense, this America is overflowing with the milk of prosperity and the honey of opportunity. This America is the habitat of millions of people who have food and material necessities for their bodies; and culture and education for their minds; and freedom and human dignity for their spirits. In this America, millions of people experience every day the opportunity of having life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness in all of their dimensions. And in this America millions of young people grow up in the sunlight of opportunity.But tragically and unfortunately, there is another America. This other America has a daily ugliness about it that constantly transforms the ebulliency of hope into the fatigue of despair. In this America millions of work-starved men walk the streets daily in search for jobs that do not exist. In this America millions of people find themselves living in rat-infested, vermin-filled slums. In this America people are poor by the millions. They find themselves perishing on a lonely island of poverty in the midst of a vast ocean of material prosperity."Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.April 1967source: [url]

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#16, by istlota, 14 June 2011 05:00 PM

What being an American means to me can best be described by relaying an experience I had this morning. I caught the free community bus to the Co-op soup kitchen west of downtown Ft Lauderdale and waited outside like everybody else for them to start serving. As you may or may not know, south Florida get unbearably hot and humid this time of year. And, even though I got there an hour before they opene, there were already about 50 or so people in line, many baking in the sun because any spot with any hint of shade had long been acquired and was now being defended religiously.

While I waited, I watched, and listened to my fellow Americans. A few of them were obviously deranged -- people I have seen around town for a few years now. As you may or may not know, being an American means, in this the 21st century, in what even in our current depression still remains one of the richest nations the world has ever known, we loving, kindhearted, generous, Americans have chosen to allow most of our fellows citizens who happen to be clinically insane wander aimlessly thru the streets. And, as you may also know, many of these deranged fellow citizens happen to be military veterans. For despite what we Americans _say_ on holidays such as Veterans Day, what we do is consistently underfund services such as the Veterans Administration which is supposed to exist to serve our war heros after they risked their lives to serv us.

On this day, as I was waiting, I noticed a ruckus -- not the only one that morning -- as one of the deranged veterans came running from around a corner, with his glasses off and his face flushed beet red, cursing to the heavens, pointing a finger at a member of the staff, and claiming that young man had struck him.

Ah, there is no place quite like the Home of the Land and the Free. And, we aer such a kind and compassionate people. And, again, please note, all I am telling you about is true story about, sadly, the sort of events which occur every day in every metropolitan area in these United States.

Just before they finally started calling us in a few at a time to eat, I noticed what turned out to be the oldest lady there -- a white woman in her 80s --- asking a couple of people who were sitted on a bench to squeeze over a bit to allow her to sit down. Now, again, note that this was the oldest person on the property. Now, in our world, there are many cultures where elders are respected -- where an elder would not have to go to soup kitchens because her friends and relatives would be ashamed to eat a crumb before the elder had, first, been fed. But, this was America. In other cultures, even if an elder was at a soup kitchen, she certainly would not have had to ask for a seat because younger people [and certainly every grown ass man] would have leaped up to offer her his seat. But, again, this was America. So, she first had to ask. As a matter of fact, she had to ask twice because the first time she asked the two fellow citizens who could easily have moved over to allow her to sit strangeky chose to pretend not to hear her request.

Another 20 or 30 minutes went by and it just got hotter and hotter and more humid. The elder lady's seat was, of course, in direct sunlight. Her entire face was covered in sweat and I began to seriously worry that she  might faint from the heat.No one else appeared to even be aware of her discomfort. For, again, this who we Americans are today.

This is what being an American means to me.

I was standing at the time, so I did not have the option of offering her a better seat --- one inteh shade. But, I did pull a jacket out of my back pack and held up in front of her face so at least her head would be in the shade. She smiled, thanked me, and spoke about how she suffered from high blood pressure, which only underscored how insame it was that a woman her age should be waiting in the hot sun to get her first meal of the day.

They were calling us in in numerical order, based on what ever number was on tickets they had handed out. I switched coupons with the elder lady, but my number was not that much lower than hers. Still, as her number approached, she got up and waited near the door as a young man stuck his head out periodically and called out the current number. I marveled at how a young man could so callously gaze upon a woman old enough to be his grandmother suffering in the hot sun, yet do nothing to ease her suffering.

But, again, this is our America.

This is what being an American means to me.

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