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#0, by pt109rickusa, 23 September 2010 03:21 PM

By now I'm sure many of us have heard the accusations made by the young men against Bishop Eddie Long. While we hope and pray this man is innocent, let me state for the record that if he is found to be guilty, I will fly, drive, swim, or walk to Georgia, be first in line, and kick him dead center in the crack of his azz on Martin Luther King blvd along with all 25,000 of his members. I take the stand that the man is innocent until proven guilty, however he is being tried by public opinion polls. Fair or Unfair? Sometimes those on top or are considered to be the best at what they do have only 1 way to go and that is down and the fall can be very painful. Many times young boys growing up in a home with no father or father figure gravitate to men they view,  admire and in some cases aspire to be like. It is trust that is gained over a period of time that makes them feel comfortable. While some men have it in their heart to act as mentors to these fatherless young men, it can be a very touchy situation if something negative transpires and it becomes a my word against your word. I have seen it when a young man gets angry about something that has happened at home and that anger is channelled towards a person they feel close to. I have also seen it where a young man has been taken advantage of because of his trust in someone older they felt close to. I feel sorry for this younger generation because many of them have never had the opportunity to sit at the dinner table with mom and dad and have open conversations. It's sad just thinking about it. Many times, especially in todays black family, the Church is the only place these single moms who are raising boys can go for mentors and help. What are your thoughts?


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#1, by 1romierome1, 23 September 2010 06:17 PM
I feel bad for both of them, they have allowed the devil to enter there life and if things up. funny thing is just not to long ago either you or matrix had a thread about a pastor acting the fool. This is the devils work all day, there's nothing he loves more then a fallen preacher of the word of god. Even if and most likely he will be found not guilty the scandal is enough to sway a weak persons mind.
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#2, by pt109rickusa, 23 September 2010 08:48 PM

I feel bad for both of them, they have allowed the devil to enter there life and if things up. funny thing is just not to long ago either you or matrix had a thread about a pastor acting the fool. This is the devils work all day, there's nothing he loves more then a fallen preacher of the word of god. Even if and most likely he will be found not guilty the scandal is enough to sway a weak persons mind.

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You're right about that rome, the damage has been done. I think it will set the tone for more than just what he is being accused for. As more and more of his life and lifestyle is exposed, more people will form opinions of him and those like him. I believe it will have a domino effect regardless of the outcome. One lesson I think can be learned from all this is that we should never put any man on a pedestal where he becomes the focal point instead of God.

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#3, by 1romierome1, 24 September 2010 04:33 PM
Remember ol boy from gainesville talking about burning the quran cause of the 9/11 attack right. Last night I was on my yahoo page and guess what. Them fool over in Irack or Teran (I know I spelled it wrong) protesting the very same thing that, that gainesville pastor was just saying he wanted the church to do. Point is you don't have to have done the crime but to be accused of it is just as bad as if you done it. Smh ppl can be so weak minded.
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#4, by matrixone05, 25 September 2010 01:53 AM


There is a 4th accusation now and it is rumored that he is about to step down which he needs to do even if he is innocent. I have attached one of the court documents, but I only scanned it. Have no desire to read it. I hope he's innocent... but if not... he needs to go to jail!

http://www.splcenter.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/Long_Robinson_Complaint.pdf

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#5, by matrixone05, 29 September 2010 01:22 AM

Bishop Eddie Long Accuser Talks to FOX 5

I-Team Exclusive: Jamal Parris Speaks

Updated: Tuesday, 28 Sep 2010, 6:35 PM EDT
Published : Tuesday, 28 Sep 2010, 5:59 PM EDT

By DALE RUSSELL/myfoxatlanta

ATLANTA, Ga. - For the first time, one of the men filing suit against Bishop Eddie Long is speaking out. In an exclusive interview with FOX 5 senior I-Team reporter Dale Russell, Jamal Parris tells a story of what he calls a love-hate relationship with a man he called "daddy."

Following Bishop Long's sermon on Sunday, Russell caught a plane to Colorado, which is home to Jamal Parris-- the oldest of all the accusers in the case. In a parking lot, late at night, Parris told Russell a story of love, anger, and desire to protect other young men.

Here is Russell's full story:

Jamal Parris didn't want to talk at first, but before he left us, he had plenty to say about Bishop Eddie Long.

"You look at our eyes," Parris said. "You hear the pain in our voice. We have no reason to lie to this man."

Jamal Parris is one of four young men who have filed sexual misconduct lawsuits against Bishop Eddie Long, accusing him of using scripture and church money to sexually seduce them.

"I am not the man being portrayed on the television," Bishop long told the congregation at New Birth Missionary Baptist Church on Sunday. "That's not me."

On Sunday, Bishop Eddie Long spoke for the first time, never flatly denying the claims, but vowing to fight.

"I feel like David against Goliath," Long said.

Since last week, none of the four young men have talked publicly about the lawsuit-- until now. We found Jamal Parris shopping at a 24-hour store in Colorado. Initially, he was reluctant to talk.

But once he started, he told a riveting story about how as a young teen-- a 14 year old with no father in his life-- he joined New Birth Missionary Baptist Church. Bishop Eddie Long came into his life. He said Long said to call him "daddy" and to trust him with spiritual guidance.

"I loved him," Parris said. "I'm always going to have love for the things that he taught me. But how he left us hurt worse than anything I ever felt in my life."

Parris claims in his lawsuit the father-like figure used scripture to justify sex. And he lavished money, cars, jewelry, trips in the Bishop's private jet, even homes on the teens, sometimes with funds from the church coffers.

"You finally have a father that you've always wanted for and always dreamed of," Parris said. "He would just walk away from you if you don't give him what he wants. So you end up turning into something you never thought you would be, which is now a slave to a man that you love."

As he claimed in his lawsuit, Jamal says the bishop began a slow sexual seduction, which became more intimate and more intense after the young boys became of legal age.

"So, while the media and the rest of the people around the city, around the country look at us like how could grown men let another man touch him, what you have to understand is this man has manipulated us since childhood," Parris explained. "This was our father and we loved him."

Through his attorney, Craig Gillen, Bishop Long has called the allegations in the lawsuits false.

In the end, Parris says when the bishop loses interest in sex and sets his sights on other younger men, the older boys are left behind.

"This man turned his back on us when he had no more need for us," Parris said. "That's not a father, that's a predator."

Parris says he attempted to resolve the matter privately with the bishop, but when that didn't work, lawsuits were filed identifying the young men accusing the bishop.

"We would have to be the craziest kids in the world to want to come out and admit to another man touching on us publicly," said Parris. "To really believe this is about money would be absolutely ludicrous."

He says he loved Bishop Long, but he can't escape the nightmare of what he says Long did to him as a young man.

"I cannot get the sound of his voice out of my head," said Parris. "I cannot forget the smell of his cologne.  And I cannot forget the way that he made me cry many nights when I drove in his car on the way home, not able to take enough showers to wipe the smell of him off of my body."

Jamal Parris, near the end of our interview, said he wanted to speak directly to Bishop Eddie Long, and he turned to our camera to do so.

"But that man can not look me in my eye and tell me we did not live this pain," Parris said. "Why you can sit in front of the church and tell them that you categorically deny it. You can't say that to our face. And you know this. You are not a man, you are a monster."

And with that, Jamal Parris got in his car and drove off into the night. 

We tried to contact Bishop Eddie Long, but his spokesperson did not return our calls. 

http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/dpp/news/iteam/bishop-eddie-long-accuser-talks-jamal-parris-20100928-es

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#6, by pt109rickusa, 29 September 2010 04:22 AM

Bishop Eddie Long Accuser Talks to FOX 5

I-Team Exclusive: Jamal Parris Speaks


Updated: Tuesday, 28 Sep 2010, 6:35 PM EDTPublished : Tuesday, 28 Sep 2010, 5:59 PM EDT
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By DALE RUSSELL/myfoxatlanta
ATLANTA, Ga. - For the first time, one of the men filing suit against Bishop Eddie Long is speaking out. In an exclusive interview with FOX 5 senior I-Team reporter Dale Russell, Jamal Parris tells a story of what he calls a love-hate relationship with a man he called "daddy."
Following Bishop Long's sermon on Sunday, Russell caught a plane to Colorado, which is home to Jamal Parris-- the oldest of all the accusers in the case. In a parking lot, late at night, Parris told Russell a story of love, anger, and desire to protect other young men.
Here is Russell's full story:
Jamal Parris didn't want to talk at first, but before he left us, he had plenty to say about Bishop Eddie Long.
"You look at our eyes," Parris said. "You hear the pain in our voice. We have no reason to lie to this man."
Jamal Parris is one of four young men who have filed sexual misconduct lawsuits against Bishop Eddie Long, accusing him of using scripture and church money to sexually seduce them.
"I am not the man being portrayed on the television," Bishop long told the congregation at New Birth Missionary Baptist Church on Sunday. "That's not me."
On Sunday, Bishop Eddie Long spoke for the first time, never flatly denying the claims, but vowing to fight.
"I feel like David against Goliath," Long said.
Since last week, none of the four young men have talked publicly about the lawsuit-- until now. We found Jamal Parris shopping at a 24-hour store in Colorado. Initially, he was reluctant to talk.
But once he started, he told a riveting story about how as a young teen-- a 14 year old with no father in his life-- he joined New Birth Missionary Baptist Church. Bishop Eddie Long came into his life. He said Long said to call him "daddy" and to trust him with spiritual guidance.
"I loved him," Parris said. "I'm always going to have love for the things that he taught me. But how he left us hurt worse than anything I ever felt in my life."
Parris claims in his lawsuit the father-like figure used scripture to justify sex. And he lavished money, cars, jewelry, trips in the Bishop's private jet, even homes on the teens, sometimes with funds from the church coffers.
"You finally have a father that you've always wanted for and always dreamed of," Parris said. "He would just walk away from you if you don't give him what he wants. So you end up turning into something you never thought you would be, which is now a slave to a man that you love."
As he claimed in his lawsuit, Jamal says the bishop began a slow sexual seduction, which became more intimate and more intense after the young boys became of legal age.
"So, while the media and the rest of the people around the city, around the country look at us like how could grown men let another man touch him, what you have to understand is this man has manipulated us since childhood," Parris explained. "This was our father and we loved him."
Through his attorney, Craig Gillen, Bishop Long has called the allegations in the lawsuits false.
In the end, Parris says when the bishop loses interest in sex and sets his sights on other younger men, the older boys are left behind."This man turned his back on us when he had no more need for us," Parris said. "That's not a father, that's a predator."
Parris says he attempted to resolve the matter privately with the bishop, but when that didn't work, lawsuits were filed identifying the young men accusing the bishop.
"We would have to be the craziest kids in the world to want to come out and admit to another man touching on us publicly," said Parris. "To really believe this is about money would be absolutely ludicrous."
He says he loved Bishop Long, but he can't escape the nightmare of what he says Long did to him as a young man.
"I cannot get the sound of his voice out of my head," said Parris. "I cannot forget the smell of his cologne.  And I cannot forget the way that he made me cry many nights when I drove in his car on the way home, not able to take enough showers to wipe the smell of him off of my body."
Jamal Parris, near the end of our interview, said he wanted to speak directly to Bishop Eddie Long, and he turned to our camera to do so.
"But that man can not look me in my eye and tell me we did not live this pain," Parris said. "Why you can sit in front of the church and tell them that you categorically deny it. You can't say that to our face. And you know this. You are not a man, you are a monster."
And with that, Jamal Parris got in his car and drove off into the night. We tried to contact Bishop Eddie Long, but his spokesperson did not return our calls. 
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That young man sounds very convincing. This reminds me of that big time Pastor Ratliff who denied doing everything the men accused him of a few years ago. That pastor said he was being framed, was under satanic attack and the world was trying to bring him down. He had all 10,000 plus of his members believing in him until that 1 man sent a local television station a taped conversation that was filled with profanity and vulgarities that the pastor said to the former male lover. He later stepped down for 30 days, but went right back preaching to the members who stuck with him.  After that fiasco, I wonder if boys are still counselled by him or others who say they are healed from that same sex desire?

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#7, by 1romierome1, 29 September 2010 01:41 PM
Wow...... He said he couldn't take enough showers to get that mans smell off of him. That is pain. Again I say the devil loves this: not only do you have a fallen preacher bot you have poisoned the minds of others. How long will it take for these young men to heal from this? Only god knows.
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#8, by 1romierome1, 29 September 2010 02:49 PM
And further more where in the bible do it condone same sex relations. If I remember god destroyed a city cause of that very same thing.
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#9, by istlota, 29 September 2010 03:31 PM

Well, certainly the devil in men loves this. I get into these discussions with a neighbor of mine about every week or two about the identity of the devil. He is a Christian and adheres to the Christian article of faith about Satan being a sentient being. I,  on  the other hand, see the Satan of the bible as allegory for what the Bhagavad Gita calls the Enemy Of Man --- et al, man's own Selfish Desire.

The danger in beleiving that Satan is a sentient being is that it offers a skirt for men to hide behind when they commit wickedness -- et al, the devil made me do it. Well, yeah, if by devil you mean your own selfish desire.

I am inclined to think Bishop Long is guilty because:

  • It is, of course, not unheard of for Christian preachers to sexually abuse members of their congregation, even adolescent male members of their congregation. Most incidences of this never get formally reported because, in the case of the adolescent male victims, they are now living heterosexual lives and the last thing they want is for anyone to find out what happened. They just want to try and forget it ever happened. But, there is One who has sworn He will not forget such sins:
"And whosoever shall offend one of these little ones that believe in me, it is better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he were cast into the sea."
  • As any gay person can confirm, young gay males get taking advantage of, sexually, all the time by older homo or bi men who present an image of being straight until they get young gay males behind closed doors.
  • It is obvious even to me [I am not gay] from the mannerisms of the young man the media is focusing on that he is gay and that he at least thinks he is still in love with Bishop Long. This is not just a case of an opportunist trying to get paid.
  • Even the media is noting that Long has avoided denying specific details, other than a blanket denial that "it wasn't me". This is the classic behavior of someone who knows they are guilty and knows multiple witnesses can confirm details of where he was and who he was with. I can recall, back when I was a Christian, when my then pastor got his picture in all the local media for sexually molesting multiple women of the church. He took the same position as Long --- insisting "it wasn't me", avoiding  denying specific details, and whining about how _he_ was the victim. But, in his case, at least one of the church board members finally had the integroity to admit they had been covering for his errors in judgement.
  • Just as I can tell the young brother is gay, Long should have been able to figure that out as well. Now, of course, it is not uncommon for black Christian churches to have gay males in their congregation --- especially as choir directors. But, if Long was a honorable man of God, he would have had enough sense to avoid being alone with the young man --- unless Long is one of those aforementioned  older homo or bi men who seek out young gay men to take advantage of.

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#10, by 1romierome1, 30 September 2010 12:01 AM
Istlota I agree with you to some degree. Point being that the boy could have been a homosexual, bi or gay what ever you prefer. And that mr long should have recognized this early. IF he was a true man of god. Just like if your a preacher that's married, having sex with women other then your wife you just don't do it. I respect your belief in what or who the devil is, and trying to pull you into my belief is not my goal. But that's where we part ways. my belief is that there is a devil just like for me there's a god. As men and women we are capable of doing good just as we can do bad. And if you don't mind I like to keep it just that simple. But back to this young man..... He's claiming he still love mr long then he bust the man out in the open this looks to me like a jilted lover. I don't know any men who is so open and willing to tell the world that he was sexual with another man unless he was gay.
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#12, by matrixone05, 30 September 2010 02:02 AM


You determine what you believe....

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#13, by matrixone05, 30 September 2010 02:06 AM

Bishop Long: Did you or didn't you?

http://www.cnn.com/2010/OPINION/09/27/walton.bishop.long/index.html
By Jonathan L. Walton, Special to CNN

STORY HIGHLIGHTS
  • Jonathan Walton: Bishop Long never directly refuted allegations of seducing teen boys
  • Walton says those trying to deflect a perjury charge use the cowardly rhetoric Long used
  • Long hid behind biblical metaphors, he writes, used congregation as shield
  • Walton believes if the bishop wants authority, he needs to take responsibility

Editor's note: Jonathan L. Walton is assistant professor of African-American religions at Harvard Divinity School. He is the author of "Watch This! The Ethics and Aesthetics of Black Televangelism" and the resident ethicist on the Tavis Smiley radio show.

(CNN) -- Over the past two decades, Bishop Eddie Long has built his public ministry at New Birth Missionary Baptist Church near Atlanta, Georgia, upon a testosterone-laden theology and a hypermasculine image.

His books bear titles such as "Taking Over," "Called to Conquer" and "Gladiator." Typical names for his sermons are "Conquer and Subdue" and "Reign or Maintain." The ministry motto, "Taking Authority," is signified by a golden sword and shield that adorns the bishop's ring finger.

This is why I was saddened to watch Eddie Long duck and dodge allegations that he seduced multiple teenage boys into sexual relationships. One would think that someone who constantly preaches about male headship, rulership, and power would deny these allegations with the same bravado that he defends his right to drive a $300,000 automobile.

Yet on Sunday we never heard the term "innocent," or a refutation of the charges. In fact, we witnessed a cowardly, rhetorical two-step that may mark the tragic end to this bishop's reign.

Milquetoast quotes like "I am not the man being portrayed on television," and "I'm going to fight this," are at best nondenials. Anyone familiar with these sorts of civil cases knows that such word selection is common among those trying to deflect a potential perjury charge down the line. Either Long engaged in inappropriate sexual acts with these young men or he didn't. To hide behind legal counsel, biblical metaphors and spiritualized acknowledgments of one's imperfection insults the intelligence of those who respect him and his ministry.

The question on the hearts and minds of parishioners is not whether he is a "perfect man." Nor does this story have anything to do with David and Goliath, as Long so irresponsibly alluded. The faithful just want to know whether Long used his authority (and their money) to maintain a teenage male harem under the pretense of mentoring. Is this too much to ask?

As a professor of social ethics who trains aspiring clergy, you pray religious leaders adhere to two important points. First, although we all fall short of our professed moral ideals, one should never spiritualize indiscretions. And no religious leader is fit to be called a leader unless he or she is willing to acknowledge when he or she is wrong.

Second, we must draw a line between our position and the institution that we are called to serve. The latter should always be considered more precious and important than the former.

Eddie Long had four days leading up to Sunday morning to address these charges. But aside from a brief yet legally broad statement through lawyers saying that "the charges against me and New Birth are false," he did not counter the boys' allegations.

He did choose, however, to invite the media and the world into the house of prayer on the Christian Sabbath. By doing so, he appears to be the kind of pastor who puts his own protection and self-preservation before the community of faith. And rather than courageously defending himself, he looked like a coward using New Birth's congregation as human shields.

If the bishop wants to take authority, he needs to begin by taking some responsibility. Maybe for the good of New Birth, Eddie Long should take that sword out of his golden ring and fall on it.

The opinions in this commentary are solely those of Jonathan L. Walton.

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#14, by 1romierome1, 30 September 2010 08:58 PM
This thing is a real mess. What's really bad is that all this has been done in a place made to worship god. These ppl should be ashamed of there selfs for letting this ever happen.
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#15, by thecog777, 19 November 2010 09:31 PM

Well new here, but I heard also about the accusations.  I dont know if anyone has heard about the Boule, and it is also said he is a member, if this is fact, then saints the chances of him being guilty are good.  For those who are members of the Boule, well homosexual acts is very, very very common, sad is the fact that many successful black men and women are members.  I encourage many to look into the Boule and their ties to the Illluminati and if you can find the dvd series, its titled "A Dame Shame".  Whether all this dvd exposes or says is true or not I dont know, but the Bishop is just one of hundreds and thousands, and one of many within the church.  Two years ago a woman down in GA shared with me some information about what happens at some of the conferences and conventions, lets just say she had an inside track, too close to certain people and things.  So when I heard about Eddie Long, I wasnt surprised.  But there are other big name Black ministers who are hiding what they do as well, but its not just a black thing, its a secret society thing, and yes the Devil has people in the Church.  Remember the Lord did warns us, so dont act surprise when people become exposed.

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#16, by matrixone05, 11 December 2010 06:29 AM
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#17, by reflective, 30 May 2011 08:09 AM

Pastor's sexual coercion lawsuit resolved: attorney

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/05/26/us-church-lawsuit-idUSTRE74P85U20110526
Thu, May 26 2011

By David Beasley

ATLANTA (Reuters) - A lawsuit brought by four young male members of an Atlanta megachurch who said its pastor, Eddie Long, coerced them into sex has been "resolved," their attorney said on Thursday.

B.J. Bernstein, who represented the men, gave no details of the settlement. There was no immediate comment from Long's megachurch, New Birth Missionary Baptist Church based in Lithonia, Georgia.

"Neither attorney Bernstein nor the plaintiffs themselves will be available for interview on this matter, now or in the future," a statement from Bernstein's office said.

"There is no spokesperson for the plaintiffs' team other than attorney Bernstein, and she will have no further comment on the case," it said.

Long denied the accusations made in civil lawsuits last September that he used his status as pastor to coerce the men into relationships when they were in their late teens.

"Long has a pattern and practice of singling out a select group of young male church members and using his authority as bishop over them to ultimately bring them to engage in sexual relationships," according to the lawsuits.

When the accusations were first filed, Long told his church he faced a similar situation to David when he fought Goliath.

Long built the church from just 300 members in 1987 to more than 25,000 today.

The church, set on a campus east of Atlanta, runs a global network of ministries and businesses. It hosted the funeral in 2006 of civil rights leader Coretta Scott King.

(Writing by Matthew Bigg; Editing by Jerry Norton)

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#18, by reflective, 30 May 2011 08:14 AM

"So... how much $$$ will it take to keep y'all quiet?"

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#19, by matrixone05, 30 May 2011 12:29 PM

I know... and what's even sadder is that he still sits on his "throne"...
Why do we as a people support pastors so strongly that we refuse to hold
them accountable to the word they speak?

Yes they are human as we all are and fall short, but when they knowing commit wrong doings
and then make it worse by utilizing the power of their position to cover it up or continue the misdeed
we should demand they step down instead of empowering them by supporting that mess.

"So... how much $$$ will it take to keep y'all quiet?"

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