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Donald Trump and Bill Cosby

#0, by matrixone05, 08 April 2011 04:30 AM

I watched the Today show this morning as Donald Trump was explaining why he thought he'd be a better president than Obama, how Obama wasn't born in the US and yada, yada... 

Later, Bill Cosby was on to discuss a program for helping the youth with education and he was asked what he thought of Donald Trump's comments.. 

I will post both for you in case you missed it... I gave Cosby a standing ovation!!

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http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/42469703/ns/today-today_people/

By Seamus McGraw

TODAY.com contributor

updated 4/7/2011 8:41:47 AM ETel


Billionaire landlord, hotel magnate, television star and self-described Tea Partier Donald Trump is turning up the heat on President Barack Obama, insisting that after three weeks of probing the question, he is now more convinced than ever that the president has failed to prove he is a citizen of the United States.

 “Three weeks ago when I started, I thought he was probably born in this country,” Trump, who is very publicly mulling his own run for the Republican nomination for president in 2012, told TODAY’s Meredith Vieira. “Right now, I have some real doubts.”

In a wide-ranging interview that aired Thursday, Trump said he is not convinced that the birth certificate that Obama has produced, certified by the state of Hawaii where Obama was born and acknowledged as legitimate by most scholars, is enough proof. He says he has dispatched his own investigators to Hawaii. “I have people that actually have been studying it and they cannot believe what they’re finding,” he said.

“His grandmother in Kenya said he was born in Kenya, and she was there and witnessed the birth. He doesn’t have a birth certificate or he hasn’t shown it,” Trump told Vieira. “He has what’s called a certificate of live birth. That is something that’s easy to get. When you want a birth certificate, it’s hard to get.”

Each state is responsible for issuing its own birth certificates and the state of Hawaii, which issued Obama’s, stands behind it. In many states, this document is referred to as the certificate of live birth. Independent analysts have also confirmed the authenticity of Obama’s birth certificate. Several leading Republicans, including Karl Rove, have dismissed the controversy. Glenn Beck, the conservative television and radio personality, last week accused Trump of taking the birth certificate issue too far. But the so-called “birther movement” has continued to raise questions about the president’s birth. And Trump has enthusiastically joined them.

While many political analysts contend that Trump’s interest in the president’s nativity is a calculated attempt to woo Republican primary voters, half of whom have questions about the president’s citizenship, there are indications that the strategy may be working. According to the latest NBC/Wall Street Journal Poll, Trump is running a close second to Mitt Romney among potential GOP candidates for the White House, with 17 percent of the vote. He is tied with former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, and is besting such party stalwarts as Newt Gingrich, Michele Bachmann and Mississippi Gov. Haley Barbour.

But the citizenship question is not the only issue on which Trump is taking aim at the Obama administration. In his interview with Vieira, he launched a blistering attack on the president’s handling of the uprising in Libya.

 “Look at Libya. We go in. We don’t remove Gadhafi, but we’re going to go fight and we’re going to do this and that. Nobody knows what’s happening. It looks like Gadhafi is going to beat the United States,” Trump said, adding that Obama has no doctrine. If Trump were in the White House, he says, he would have handled things differently.

“I’m only interested in Libya if we keep the oil. If we don’t keep the oil, I’m not interested,” Trump said. “I don’t know who the rebels are. You know, they make the rebels like it’s some romantic, beautiful novel, ‘The Rebels.’ I hear the rebels are al-Qaida. I hear they’re Iran-backed and Iran-influenced. Where are they getting those weapons before we came along? From Iran.”

A Trump foreign policy, he said, would focus exclusively on America’s self-interest, and it would be the same philosophy he has used in his business career. “Foreign affairs [means] we take care of ourselves first, OK? We don’t build the schools in Afghanistan. We go to Afghanistan, we build a road, we build a school. Two days later, they blow up the road, they blow up the school. We start building the road and the school again,” he said. “In the meantime, we can’t build schools in Alabama, in New Orleans, in Texas, in New York ... We’re spending trillions and trillions of dollars. My thing and my doctrine would be build, build, build.”

But Libya is not the only issue for which Trump believes the current president should be fired. “It’s been a terrible presidency,” he said.

 “I wish this country was running so great and I wish Obama was the greatest president since Abraham Lincoln. And I wish this was the greatest place in the world,” he said. “What we’re doing is unbelievable. If you look at what’s going on, where our jobs are disappearing to foreign countries … you’re going to be paying $7 or $8 a gallon for your oil very soon,” Trump said, adding that he places the blame for that squarely on Obama.

He also took aim at the controversial health care overhaul passed last year by Congress, saying, “I think Obamacare’s a total disaster.”

The president, he said, is far better at campaigning than at governing.

“I think the thing that he did best of all is get elected. He ran an unbelievable campaign,” Trump said. “I want him to do well... I love this country. But this country is going to hell.”

Trump says he considers himself a “very proud” member of the Tea Party movement. “I’m very proud of some of the ideas they put forth,” he said. “And, the big idea is they want to stop this ridiculous, absolutely killer of spending that’s going on. What’s going on in this country, the way we’re spending money like drunken sailors ... ultimately, we’re going to destroy our own freedom,” Trump said.

And if that battle, now being fought out between the White House and Congress, does lead to a government shutdown this weekend, that too would be an indictment of the administration, Trump said.

“If there is a shutdown, I think it would be a tremendously negative mark on the president ...” he said. “He’s the one that has to get people together.”

Because of his business background, he said, he believes he could have averted the showdown altogether. “I’m a deal man. I make hundreds and hundreds of deals and transactions. [Obama] never did deals before,” Trump said. “How’s he gonna corral all these people? I would get everybody together, and we’d have a budget,” he said.

So far, Trump says, he has not yet decided whether he will be a candidate. The fact that he’s the man behind NBC’s hit series “The Celebrity Apprentice” is one of the reasons that he’s not yet decided whether to toss his hat into the ring. “It sounds so trivial and I hate to even bring it up. But I’m not allowed to run during the show,” Trump told Vieira. “It’s a great show, and it’s got phenomenal ratings. And until that show is over, I can’t declare, because otherwise NBC would have to take the show off the air and I think that would be very unfair to NBC.”

At least one person isn't buying that argument. Comedian Bill Cosby, who appeared on TODAY Thursday, told Meredith Vieira that Trump was "full of it" and that he should "run or shut up."

But nothing has stopped the outspoken Trump from touting his own credentials for the job and dismissing critics who say that his background in finance and show business doesn’t prove that he has what it takes to be the president. “I know this. I will be better than anybody. If I decide to run, I will do the best job. I will be best for this country,” Trump said. “And, you may say, ‘Oh, gee, that doesn’t sound like George Washington.’ Well, guess what? Before George Washington ran, he didn’t sound like George Washington either. I will ... do a great job, if I run and if I win.”

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#2, by matrixone05, 08 April 2011 04:51 AM
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#3, by matrixone05, 08 April 2011 04:57 AM


Bill Cosby to Donald Trump: ‘Run or shut up’

Comedian says Trump should announce his candidacy for president if he’s going to run

By Michael Inbar

TODAY.com contributor

updated 4/7/2011 10:35:32 AM ET


Legendary actor-comedian Bill Cosby said that Donald Trump is “full of it” when it comes to his potential bid for the White House, telling TODAY’s Meredith Vieira Thursday that Trump should “run or shut up.”

Cosby was passionately talking about his work helping to further education in downtrodden urban neighborhoods, but he worked himself into a lather when Vieira asked him about Trump, who appeared in an earlier show segment.

Vieira mentioned her lengthy, pretaped interview with the business mogul in which he talked about the possibility of his running for president in 2012. Funnyman Cosby grimaced and said, “Oh, please, with Donald Trump, take him home with you!”


Story: Trump: I have ‘real doubts’ Obama was born in U.S.

“Why do you say that?” Vieira asked. Cosby responded, “Because he’s full of it,” then sat silent with a chagrined look on his face for several seconds.

While Vieira pressed him on what prompted his attitude toward Trump, Cosby said that he is tired of Trump’s “will he or won't he?” waffling about throwing his hat in the ring for the nation’s highest office. “You run or shut up,” Cosby said.

Trump has said that he is waiting until the end of his show, “The Celebrity Apprentice,” before he makes an official announcement about running. To abide by election law, if Trump were to make a formal move toward running for office, NBC would have to end his show.

Vieira pointed this out and noted that none of the contenders expected to run against President Barack Obama has officially announced. Cosby responded, “You can run. Please, anybody can run,” then compared Trump to Pat Paulsen, the comedian who announced his 1972 bid for presidency on “The Smothers Brothers” comedy-variety show.

While saying “I don’t care” as to whether Trump officially runs for president, Cosby bristled when Vieira said, “If he runs, you’ve got to take it seriously.”

“No, I don’t,"” Cosby replied. “Not him, not him. Look, people have run for president for any reason. Come on, open your mouth — run!”

The former 1980s sitcom star, who still continues to pack theaters with his stand-up comedy act, did use some of his trademark humor to show he is definitely with Team Obama when it comes to the current administration.

 “I like him very, very much,"” he told Vieira. “I love his wife, I love his children, I love his mother-in-law. I think they have a dog — I love his dog.”

And Cosby added that Trump and other detractors might do well to cut the president some slack after what he called a “catastrophic eight years” of the George W. Bush administration. “People don’t want to look back and see the damage that was done — this is what we have to clean up,” he said.

Cosby on cleaning up schools, neighborhoods  Cleaning up the academic standing of some of America’s most disadvantaged neighborhoods has been a long-time goal for the veteran education activist Cosby. The 73-year-old has partnered with Dr. Stanley Battle to start initiatives to better schools in Greensboro, N.C., where Battle was president of North Carolina A&T State University and in Baltimore, Md., during Stanley's stint as president of Coppin State University. Now, with Stanley serving as president of Southern Connecticut State University in New Haven, he and Cosby have partnered on a new initiative.


 Video: Cosby finds no humor in death rumors

Cosby led a march through the New Haven’s tough Newhallville neighborhood last fall, meeting with residents and encouraging parents to take an active role in their children’s academic lives. He returned with a marching band March 22, knocking on doors and visiting elementary schools. Cosby told Vieira it’s been an eye-opening experience.

“When we come into those neighborhoods and these people, I’m looking into their eyes and I see people who want someone to come in and work with them,” he said. Just the fact that people are marching through a neighborhood crippled by crime and violence sends a message in itself, Cosby added.

 

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“What we do is we ask for safe passage to walk through and we received it; safe passage to walk through and let the people know we’ll knock on their doors,” he told Vieira. “We will be there for them. Many times they will say, ‘Oh, yeah, sure.’ But ... we came back and we’re going to come back again. We’re going to do things together, so that people can appreciate themselves and appreciate their children.”

Appearing with Cosby on TODAY, Dr. Battle said someone of Cosby’s stature brings “celebrity, credibility, honesty” to the effort, to which Cosby mugged for the camera and added “cute” to his list of attributes.

Stanley said that for the neighborhood marches, “having someone of [Cosby’s] stature to hug and to hold and to support is quite unique.”


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#4, by matrixone05, 08 April 2011 04:58 AM
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#5, by 1romierome1, 08 April 2011 08:43 PM
Bill is da man! Always is and always will be da man.
Trump ain't nothing but a slumlord.
There's plenty fake ppl in this world dont be one of them.
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#6, by mykeldangelo, 09 April 2011 10:50 PM

“When we come into those neighborhoods and these people, I’m looking into their eyes and I see people who want someone to come in and work with them,” he said. Just the fact that people are marching through a neighborhood crippled by crime and violence sends a message in itself, Cosby added.




BS

ppl dont want someone to work with them


they want someone to work FOR them

they want someone to do all the hard stuff and leave the ez stuff....matter of fact do the ez stuff and leave the pay



cosby has no idea...........the only ppl who have any clue are the teachers that are being held responsible for educate'n those students...............no the parents arent held responsible..........no the kids arent held responsible............its the teacher and just the teacher

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#7, by matrixone05, 10 April 2011 03:35 AM


I would not want your job for a million bucks and I take my hat off to you for teaching our youth. But I agree with him.. .there are some that care... not all but there are some and those some... need help and will take it and thrive.. the ones that want to leach and suck one dry for nothing in return... will eventually be what they are...

“When we come into those neighborhoods and these people,I’m looking into their eyes and I see people who want someone to come in andwork with them,” he said. Just the fact that people are marching through aneighborhood crippled by crime and violence sends a message in itself, Cosbyadded.BSppl dont want someone to work with them they want someone to work FOR themthey want someone to do all the hard stuff and leave the ez stuff....matter of fact do the ez stuff and leave the pay cosby has no idea...........the only ppl who have any clue are the teachers that are being held responsible for educate'n those students...............no the parents arent held responsible..........no the kids arent held responsible............its the teacher and just the teacher

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#8, by pt109rickusa, 13 April 2011 01:02 PM

I call him Donald Duck not Donald Trump because he has no clue as to what it takes to be president of the USA. Operating a few casinos, building hotels, highrises and golf courses is nothing compared to running an entire country. I do remember the Duck filing bankruptcy and trying to get people to feel sorry for him. That fool would have America in world war III and a depression in a New York second. He boast about how he would stop doing business with the Chinese, welll let me tell you that there are so many wealthy American business people in China that you would not believe. Those wealthy people don't want the Duck and are ready to vote against him, none of which happen to be black I might add. I am sure the Duck's ex wives would come out of the closet on him and spill all the dirt. Will the Duck run, I doubt it and Cosby knows the Duck is a publicity hound and the risk the Duck would take by doing so. The Duck says that he is a republican so I wonder where was he when GW Bush was F$$king up the country and allowing the rest of the world to disrespect America and businesses were moving overseas in droves. Where was the Duck and the Tea Party then?
Now as far as Cosby is concerned, I agree with him. Yes, the teachers are having to do a lot more than when I was in school. Children need the entire group support system, the parents, teachers, and governments to be successful. Working for them, working with them, working through them, working around them, it doesn't matter. I've written about it countless times, the problems stem from men not being in the home. The easiest way to defeat or destroy something is to cut off the head or weaken the foundation. Nowadays two parent families are less than 50 percent in most communities. With the mom being the only parent the children see daily in those cases, she has to work, take care of the children and the home. She has become the head and the foundation, not because she wanted to, but because she had to. The problem is, she has no help and thus has to make a choice of paying the bills, putting food on the table and a roof over her and the childrens head or let the children practically raise themselves. We keep trying to come up with solutions, temporary fixes, when all it would take is for more men to make sacrifices and invest more time, money  and concern in their children. I know that is a big all. Dropping babies, paying child support and seeing your children on their birthday and holidays is a band aid.
People pay taxes and the least the local, state and federal government can do is provide the finances to pay teachers good salaries and provide students with the tools necessary to learn. Speaking of government, in the state of Texas, we had this fake governer Perry who ran a campaign of lies, bigger than most. Now we are having to lay off teachers because of his lies. He fooled the people, most of which are republicans and now Texas is in dire straits. The toll roads and the lottery were suppose to help finance education, but instead it went into his rich friends pockets who don't give a damn about whether children get educated or not. All their kids and grand kids are in private schools and that is what the average working person does not fully understand.


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#9, by delon, 13 April 2011 01:36 PM

Forgive my French.... FUCK Trump!  I lost all respect for the man.

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#10, by matrixone05, 14 April 2011 01:49 AM

Alrighteeee Delon, Now tell us how you really feel!! 
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Forgive my French.... FUCK Trump!  I lost all respect for the man.

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#11, by matrixone05, 14 April 2011 01:50 AM

I don't have much respect for that type of ignorance either... and it incites and perpetuates hate...

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