A Man's Paternal Rights

This discussion is ongoing in another group I participate in. I would like to hear your thoughts on this topic. 



01.) If a woman can have an abortion without the consent of the child's father or give a child up for adoption without the consent of the child's father (from a practical standpoint), why then should the child's father not have the same ability to opt out of any parental or financial obligations to the child as well?


02.) Should a woman have to still pay child support after giving a child up or adoption?


03.) If the Moses Law is, in part, designed to protect children from being harmed, abandoned or killed by their mothers, would a Rae Carruth Law, to protect expecting mothers from their husbands/boyfriends, be out of line by allowing expectant fathers to walk away from their responsibilities?
 

04.) With regard to abortion, if it is a woman's right to choose what she does with her body, since it is her body, should she not have more responsbility for the choice she made to procreate? ...and should not a man have that same option when it comes to using his body to care or not care for the child?What are your thoughts?

interesting

i'd support it BUT you know the gov't wont.......THE BEST INTEREST OF THE CHILD defense........i dont see how that defense works.....since it hasnt YET..........fatherless child to day is better with or without the check

how much money would the govt save with this law????

You skimmed... there are really 4 parts to this topic and they all really wind up questioning whether a man should be responsible for a child he didn't want, why can't he say no to abortion or adoption if he wants the kid... etc..

Question (1)
If he didn't want children he should've worn a condom. Having sex without protection is like saying I want you to have my child.

Question (2)
No if and when someone adopt a child they're saying they will take care of all of the childs needs.

Question (3)

I'm sort of lost with this one. The woman already Carrey the bolk of the child bearing thingy. Ya know the nine month thing. Watching and taking extra care of her body as she carry her unborn child. And when she start acting like a wild beast towards the so-called father of the child, running him off like its all his fault. She wind up with the child raising it by her self.
Imho

01.) If a woman can have an abortion without the consent of the child's father or give a child up for adoption without the consent of the child's father (from a practical standpoint), why then should the child's father not have the same ability to opt out of any parental or financial obligations to the child as well?

While I'm all for equality, as a woman I know other women will have issues with this. However, I think we should push this issue. Why not? Why can't a man opt out of his parental or financial obligations? I think if more people went into relationships and sexships with this understanding then we'd have less people make stupid decisions, especially when a woman feels that having a baby will trap a man. I'm all for the out clause.

02.) Should a woman have to still pay child support after giving a child up or adoption?

For adoption, no. When families - both the man and woman - decide to give the child up for adoption the man doesn't pay child support. The fundamental idea of adoption is that you're giving your child a better opportunity than you can provide for them. Therefore, if you can't afford to pay for a child's care while looking after them then  you shouldn't want to adopt said child.

03.) If the Moses Law is, in part, designed to protect children from being harmed, abandoned or killed by their mothers, would a Rae Carruth Law, to protect expecting mothers from their husbands/boyfriends, be out of line by allowing expectant fathers to walk away from their responsibilities?
 
I'm a little lost on this question. I'll admit I'm not familiar with these laws; however, if one law is protecting the child from the mother than the other law should do the same - protect the child from the father. I don't see how that equates to allowing someone to walk away from their responsibilities.

04.) With regard to abortion, if it is a woman's right to choose what she does with her body, since it is her body, should she not have more responsibility for the choice she made to procreate? ...and should not a man have that same option when it comes to using his body to care or not care for the child?What are your thoughts?

Again, I'm a little lost with the "more responsibility" included in the question. And I think question one covers the second part of this question.

Rome, while protecting yourself means that you do not want children, what happens if you're in a situation where you're manipulated into becoming a father? I've heard the stories, like putting a tiny hole in the condom and such. We even have a story on how a woman, a doctor at that, manipulated the entire situation to get pregnant.

As a woman, I know some other women don't equate wearing a condom to not wanting a child, especially if they feel a certain way about the guy.

I went back and forth in my other group with this topic. I think there are two responsible parties here and other than someone putting a hole in a condom or rape... I don't care if you were tricked... you should know better. Any time you lay with someone unprotected, you take a risk of making a child. If you don't want to take the risk, do not have unprotected sex. If you have unprotected sex with someone you don't really know or wouldn't want to have a child with.. shame on you. I have no sympathy... that child did not ask to be here... take care of your responsibility.

And while I THINK a man should have say in whether a child is aborted or not... the truth of the matter is that in reality.. you loose control of that seed you donated for 9 months. You deposited your seed into a womb that you have NO control over. Period. Other than her good will toward you and your child. You sealed the deal and gave it away. One should not be so careless with such precious and valuable things. It doesn't matter in reality because the gift has been given. Don't want to be a father... protection. Don't want to be a father with her... protection. Don't want to be in a situation where you want a child she doesn't... protection. And if she decides to have it... I don't care about how either of you don't like the other, didn't want a kid, yada... yada... That child did not ask to be born and the two people that are responsible for giving life... should be responsible for raising and taking care of it. Adoption... should never occur if both parties do not agree. If she doesn't want that child and he does... He should have it... 

*sigh... ridiculous that these discussions even have to exist.

Matrix, while I respect what you're saying, the sad fact of life is that not all women (hell, not most women) have your same (high) standards. Is that wrong per se? No, but it is our sad reality.

Once the DNA proves I'm the father. Will have to make sure that child knows me. Rather I was manipulated or not. I'm not seeing me opt ing out I been there doing that. Walking with my eyes wide open.
let me just say with all the work I have to put in I sleep good.